Sunday, May 31, 2009
Elyon's Divine Philosophy 2
Lloyd Cole A universal call to awake for the true Light has come into our realm or plain call earth. It is time for us to know ourselves, who or what we are as earth people and other livings beings or things on this golden Jewell we live. It is also time to know from Elyon worldview, the Divine philosophy of things, and not just man's worldview, because the earth belongs to Elyon and not man. Humanism is a false concept of thing on earth since everything evolve around Elyon because he is beginning, space, time, Light and life of all kinds. All things proceeded from him, he spoke the spirit, material and physical worlds into existence through his Divine Spirit and made the other with the materials that he created. He is the MOST HIGH, he is ELyon, he love his creation and makings and said it is good. Because in his worlds there is the KOSMIC order for the cosmic world, and without him in our worlds the result is chaos or disorder.With much agape have a inspiring bright day and a Divine insight.
Saturday, May 30, 2009
Elyon/Yeshau Love
Lloyd Cole Hi friend, the agape love is forever enduring, caring and securing us from all harm from spiritual wickedness in high places. we are drinking from the pure and true river of Divine life and light and are connected with the circle and chain of the Most High. So it is time to sing, dance, rejoice and be glad because we have the victory over the evil one. With much of the same virtues and essence of Elyon/Yeshua have an uplifting and a victorious UP MONTH and a excellence UP YEAR, xo xo xo.
Thursday, May 28, 2009
US First Lady in Action
Lloyd Cole Wrote: The first Lady is on the move and nothing can stop her, because Elyon is with her, and the people of the world are supporting her. She is for CHANGE, and change will come for all mothers, children and school girls. Michelle Obama is giving hope to the despairs and hopeless, to the poor and needy and what better person for Elyon to use than one who came from humble begins, one who feels it and knows what life is all about through her own experiences. A revolution is taking place in the earth. We are not conformist but revolutionary transformers,with much agape love have a hopeful future.
Lloyd Cole wrote: Hello friends,faith is the prepared savior for hope, with the agape love we will make it. When we develop a positive mental and spiritual attitude towards what we pursue we can be excellent in all social, secular and spiritual things. However to have fulfillment of purpose, mission and desired goal, one must have the Most high blessings and presence with you always. There is guiding power in the leading presence of ELyon.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009
The Power of the People
Lloyd Cole wrote: And when the good people of the earth rise up and demand CHANGE, then true and enduring transformation of our now establish world view will change into the world view of Elyon the eternal father/mother of all creation and makings. His Knowledge will cover the whole earth like water that covers the seas. SEER (Jeremiah Chap, 31) and every one will know him from the least to the greatest. We his children will know through Divine revelations because he himself will teach us of his ways and not through a book nor by human interpretations. So lets unite and be one strong collective voice and force to be with, Its is now time, with much agape love and solidarity lets join and make an chain of the agape love. Have an uplifting UP MONTH and a flourishing UP YEAR
Toris Dimitrios at 13:56 on 26 May
Your words Mr.Lloyd with this video message,pumped up from my heart a vision we had.We were links of the same chain.Some links,started to move.When all links were moving,and the chain was rotating with coordination,a force produced in the center of the circle,that felt on Earth as a force of renaissance. I don't know to interpret this vision,but the message I've got is that activating all together now,under Yeshua's guidence,we can become real ''revolutionary transformers''.
Toris Dimitrios at 13:56 on 26 May
Your words Mr.Lloyd with this video message,pumped up from my heart a vision we had.We were links of the same chain.Some links,started to move.When all links were moving,and the chain was rotating with coordination,a force produced in the center of the circle,that felt on Earth as a force of renaissance. I don't know to interpret this vision,but the message I've got is that activating all together now,under Yeshua's guidence,we can become real ''revolutionary transformers''.
ELYON'S TRUTH?
Hello friends, where can we fine full truth? in modern institutions/or by Elyon himself? the Seer Jeremiah said we should not trust the religious scribes who writes with the lying pen, nor the prophets who prophesy falsely, (Chap,8;8, and Jeremiah,23;9) Is this Neoplatonism Monophisite Christian teachings again vs Yeshua's Apostles/Montonist truth? Yeshua said at his return many would walk in the broad way of death. (JRSL-UCYG)
Sunday, May 24, 2009
Saturday, May 23, 2009
“I first became aware of the Jewishness of Jesus in high school. A visiting speaker, a rabbi by the name of Dr Joshua Stern of the Temple Emanu-el...introduced himself to a mixed Protestant-Jewish audience as, ‘My name is [Joshua].Jesus was Jewish.’ That was a new and interesting thought--both that Jesus’s name was really Yeshua (Joshua in English) and that he was Jewish. (Wilson, Barrie:2008)” What else is lost?
Thursday, May 21, 2009
Is Monothism Kosmic Truth or a historical Doctrional Concept?
It is rather disturbing that Christendom accepts the doctrinal dogma put fort by theologians and religious philosophers who treat us like children--by insulting us with a mixture of truth and lies. How can we get good fruit from a corrupt tree? How can Full Truth be formulated from water down contaminated principal sources-- the Canon of Christianity?
Deuteronomy and the Meaning of Monotheism.
by Michael Widmer
DEUTERONOMY AND THE MEANING OF MONOTHEISM. By Nathan MacDonald. Forschungen zum Alten Testament; 2. Reihe, vol. 1. Tubingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2003. Pp. ix + 271. 49 [pounds sterling].
Modern scholarship of biblical monotheism has generally focused on the history of the concept that there is only one God. There is a widespread agreement among scholars that Israel only decisively rejected polytheism from the exilic period onwards (see R. Gnuse, No Other Gods, 1997). Hence the underlying model is a lengthy process of development and refinement, whereby "monotheism" is frequently perceived as a superior understanding of God and the world over the alleged pre-exilic polytheistic cosmology.
In this study MacDonald is not primarily concerned with the history behind the concept of "monotheism." Rather, he sets out to assess the appropriateness, usefulness, and accuracy of the concept of "monotheism" in relation to the biblical witness as found in the Hebrew text of Deuteronomy. More specifically, he looks at the meaning and significance of YHWH's oneness as it is presented in the chapters framing the deuteronomic law code. Thereby he provides a thorough theological exposition of a seminal biblical tradition and examines it in relation to the contemporary category of "monotheism."
In the first chapter M. traces the term "monotheism" back to the Enlightenment (Henry More, 1614-1687) and raises important questions regarding its truthful reflection of the biblical text. The following five chapters examine the theme of YHWH's oneness in Deuteronomy. M. uses the Shema (Deut 6:4-9), Israel's prime confession of exclusive covenant loyalty, as the organizing structure of his w...
Deuteronomy and the Meaning of Monotheism.
by Michael Widmer
DEUTERONOMY AND THE MEANING OF MONOTHEISM. By Nathan MacDonald. Forschungen zum Alten Testament; 2. Reihe, vol. 1. Tubingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2003. Pp. ix + 271. 49 [pounds sterling].
Modern scholarship of biblical monotheism has generally focused on the history of the concept that there is only one God. There is a widespread agreement among scholars that Israel only decisively rejected polytheism from the exilic period onwards (see R. Gnuse, No Other Gods, 1997). Hence the underlying model is a lengthy process of development and refinement, whereby "monotheism" is frequently perceived as a superior understanding of God and the world over the alleged pre-exilic polytheistic cosmology.
In this study MacDonald is not primarily concerned with the history behind the concept of "monotheism." Rather, he sets out to assess the appropriateness, usefulness, and accuracy of the concept of "monotheism" in relation to the biblical witness as found in the Hebrew text of Deuteronomy. More specifically, he looks at the meaning and significance of YHWH's oneness as it is presented in the chapters framing the deuteronomic law code. Thereby he provides a thorough theological exposition of a seminal biblical tradition and examines it in relation to the contemporary category of "monotheism."
In the first chapter M. traces the term "monotheism" back to the Enlightenment (Henry More, 1614-1687) and raises important questions regarding its truthful reflection of the biblical text. The following five chapters examine the theme of YHWH's oneness in Deuteronomy. M. uses the Shema (Deut 6:4-9), Israel's prime confession of exclusive covenant loyalty, as the organizing structure of his w...
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF THE APOSTLES CHURCH...
Interesting, the battle as to who is higher-the Bishops of the Church or the Prophets who were filled with the Paraclete. In the early Church, the order and structure under Peter, James the brother of Yeshua and John the youngest of Yeshua's Apostles were filled with the Holy Ghost. According to the Acts of the Apostles, the highest in rank were the Apostles, then the Prophets and third Evangelists. We must point out that the rank of Bishop was not established when the early Church in Jerusalem was born. Therefore, are we seeing carnal leaders governing the gentile Church instead of Spiritual leaders through the Paraclete? so, who have been directing Yeshua's Church in the second century and onward Also, we must remind the so called Christian Church that it was the Montanist Christians whom influenced Justinian to build the Holy Agia Sophia through Yeshua's Apostles teachings. (JRSL-UCYG)
Monday, May 18, 2009
Elyon's Truth And Good News of Saul
If religion is Elyon/Yeshua's Truth, how come the church and the state have become such comfortable bedfellows? Yeshua asked his followers to fallow in his footsteps (willing to dies for the Truth) did he not? Was the teachings of the True Gospel stamped out as heresy or was Yeshua lying about the tribulations of those who uphold his Truth?
Why did Saul, who read the Torah just like Yeshua did, develop such a fatal distaste for the followers of Yeshua? This…Pharisee the son of a Pharisees…” after his experience with the risen Yeshua on Damascus road he was changed Paul. (Act 9; Act 23:6) Risking his life, he took on philosophers and rulers to bring the gospel of Yeshua to the nations. What did Saul learned from the risen Yeshua that changed him to Paul?
Lloyd Cole Hi James Good morning
At University while studying philosophy I learnt that , the apostle Paul used the concept of the Hellenistic view to explain THEOS/ELYON/YESHUA. He evangelized to the well learned Stoic’s and Epicureans. Paul understood that the unlearned couldn’t contain or understand the magnitude of knowledge being spoken by the elite philosophers? See (Acts of the Apostles, 17;16-18 we can see the point Spinoza is making in his philosophy. If Cleanthes did not have a good enough explanation, then Paul would not have used his quote, Cleanthes was an educated philosopher, so was Paul, Spinoza, Einstein and many other people in our modern time. Moreover, many learned scholars argue that both Spinoza and Einstein (the genius) were leaning towards Jesus Christ and the Epicurean Philosophers on Mars hill. He used Cleanthes philosophical view of the Kosmos, when he wrote that
“In Theos we live move and have our being”.
Did Paul not have some hidden truth?
Why did Saul, who read the Torah just like Yeshua did, develop such a fatal distaste for the followers of Yeshua? This…Pharisee the son of a Pharisees…” after his experience with the risen Yeshua on Damascus road he was changed Paul. (Act 9; Act 23:6) Risking his life, he took on philosophers and rulers to bring the gospel of Yeshua to the nations. What did Saul learned from the risen Yeshua that changed him to Paul?
Lloyd Cole Hi James Good morning
At University while studying philosophy I learnt that , the apostle Paul used the concept of the Hellenistic view to explain THEOS/ELYON/YESHUA. He evangelized to the well learned Stoic’s and Epicureans. Paul understood that the unlearned couldn’t contain or understand the magnitude of knowledge being spoken by the elite philosophers? See (Acts of the Apostles, 17;16-18 we can see the point Spinoza is making in his philosophy. If Cleanthes did not have a good enough explanation, then Paul would not have used his quote, Cleanthes was an educated philosopher, so was Paul, Spinoza, Einstein and many other people in our modern time. Moreover, many learned scholars argue that both Spinoza and Einstein (the genius) were leaning towards Jesus Christ and the Epicurean Philosophers on Mars hill. He used Cleanthes philosophical view of the Kosmos, when he wrote that
“In Theos we live move and have our being”.
Did Paul not have some hidden truth?
Friday, May 15, 2009
And exchange on Elyon as a Cult
James Woods “I am sure Elyon is a cult” is one response to my many posts. Cult=Heretic = “…religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by OTHERS as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false” says Encarta Dict. Was John the Baptists and then Yeshua not labeled Heretic? Paul adopted Yeshua’s teachings and B. Spinoza embraces Paul’s teachings and A. Einstein said he believes in Spinoza God. Cult or Kosmic?
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Jake Griesel at 07:59 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Baruch Spinoza, the Dutch philosopher, had strong pantheistic views and he rejected his Jewish background. Do you share the views of pantheism? I certainly don't. God certainly created everything, but God isn't present in everything in the material world. The material world and God aren't the same thing. It just isn't Biblical.
James Woods at 08:12 on 15 May
Ok Jake but have your read and understand Deuteronomy 32:8 from a few different version if the bible sir you may find that very interesting. Who was Elyon portioning the earth to men or gods? Remember they put Galileo under house arrest for supporting Copernicus .. should we still believe the earth is the center cosmos?
James Woods at 08:15 on 15 May
Jake ... Full Truth is Full Truth no matter what you and I or all of mankind believe. Can we then agree that Full Truth is Kosmic?
Jake Griesel at 08:35 15 May via Facebook Mobile
What has that got to do with Pantheism? Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The earth is YHWH's creation, not YHWH Himself. Spinoza with his pantheistic beliefs, in my view based on the Bible, was a heretic.
In Deuteronomy 32:8, whether you consider the Dead Sea Scrolls which reads "the sons of God", the Greek version which reads "the angels of God" or the Masoretic Text which reads "the sons of Israel", either way, Pantheism isn't Biblical.
James Woods at 08:57 on 15 May
Jake it is well known by scholars that monotheism is an invented concept.... We are all entitled to our beliefs However, I will continue to live by Knowing. Is knowing not an empirical element of life? Would it not be foolish for one to trust his or her life to medical doctor who have studied one book? Why should we trust our Spiritual life to the ... Read moredoctrinal dogma of one book?
Has Elyon the Kosmic one lost His powers that we he children have to settle for regurgitated Stoicism and Neo Platonism concept of the Kosmic intelligence and His Creation and management of the Cosmos? What are we second tare human that we should accept the doctrine of the commandment of men? Where is the full Truth? How did the apostles and the prophets get the Full Truth? Look at the chaos we face--should we not forsake Syllogism and go back to the Kosmic source?
Jake Griesel at 09:10 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Well, I'm a Bible-believing Christian, and the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity, which is a three-in-ONE Godhead consisting of Father, Son and Spirit. That is monotheism. Of course you are entitled to your own beliefs, and I have no problem with that. I don't know what other books you regard as Scripture, but with me, I trust that YHWH ... Read morewouldn't allow the very book that teaches us of His nature and what He is to be false and deceptive. Let me ask you this, do you consider the Entity Lisa and I refer to as YHWH as being the same as the Entity you refer to as Elyon? Because YHWH is one God, and is a spirit.
Katerina Be at 09:11 on 15 May
What I like in Spinoza’s thinking is that he suggested to read critical the bibles. Reading critical does not mean that you reject. It means that you don’t take everything for granted. To me, is the alive spirit of ELYON/YESHUA that comes upon people and brings the knowledge of the eternal father. This knowledge is the sieve of what is written and of all these interpretations that exists. Thanks all the friends that give ground to so challenging issues...
Lloyd Cole at 09:12 on 15 May
A nice healthy exchange Jake,but what is the original meaning of "Pantheism''according to the Oxford dic, said 1 a doctrine which identifies GOD with the universe (KOSMOS) or regards the universe as a manifestation of GOD.2 the worship or tolerance of many gods.Which of these are the original meanings, is the original predates the flood of Noah? ... Read moresince the time period is essential to enquirer fine the correct meaning.How did Adam/Eve understand the identities of the gods whose knowledge they partake? Who are these gods that that they referred to as the wise ones? the Elohims or those who came from the sky?
James Woods at 09:16 on 15 May
Jake what about the other part of the body work that are in the original manuscripts? are you saying that the 66 books of KJB bible and the 11 additional in the NJB will give us perfection? Did the men who received the information achieved perfection? What bible did Paul use to foster the Gentile Church?
Jake Griesel at 09:41 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Yes, I believe the 1611 KJV is adequate to know the nature of YHWH, Adonai, or whatever Name you want to refer to Him as. Again I ask - what other books do you regard as Scripture? And as I refer to myself as a Protestant Christian, what do you refer to yourself as, so I can further investigate your beliefs?
I don't for a second believe YHWH is ... Read moremanifested in all of His creation in the physical realm, because he is Spirit, not a physical being. Paul, whose writings I believe were directed by YHWH, wrote in Romans 1:25 (KJV) "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (God's creation) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." I worship YHWH who I believe is a Spirit and distinct from His creation, not the same as His creation, contradictory to Spinozism.
James Woods at 09:56 on 15 May
Very good Jake you have your beliefs .... I will keep on living and growing by knowing. Many have and will kill for our beliefs like Saul/Paul did?
My intent is not to fallow in the entire footstep of Saul but rather to be taught like Paul did, by the resurrected Yeshua the Truth light who went to his father Elyon.
Jake Griesel at 10:04 15 May via Facebook Mobile
I wouldn't kill (commit murder) for the sake of Christianity, no, because that's not what Christ ordered me to do. The Muslims are told to kill infidels, but Christ instructed His followers to love their enemies. I would die as a martyr for Christ, no problem, because I know where I'm going, but I wouldn't copy the ways of the so-called "Christian ... Read morecrusaders" who waged war against Muslim forces in the Middle Ages. That isn't Christianity. My war is against demons, devils and serpents, not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12), so I wouldn't shed blood for the sake of Christianity, because that wouldn't make me a Christian, would it? Again I ask, what other books do you consider as Scripture and what do would you call yourself, a Spinozist? I'd just like to know where I can read about your beliefs and what you claim to KNOW. You can read about my beliefs in the 1611 KJV.
Lloyd Cole at 11:01 on 15 May
You brothers are very passionate about your true faith.However i cannot remember which books or Scriptures Yeshua said he would ask his father to send his disciples/Apostles was it not the Paraclete an helper? but did not Yeshua explained to his disciples in the Gospel of John, 5, 39-41) that eternal life cannot be found in Scriptures only in him? ... Read moreSo why are we holding on to the aspects of religiosity and not the promise of Yeshua and the Paraclete who must lead,teach and restrained the followers of Yeshua? it is they who have the divine essence and substance is it not? or is it that man/woman don't want to follow ways of the Divine LOGOS who want us to be in his father's WILL as he the SON is? It the Paraclete the Divine and heavenly witness not a book that is made by human imperfect minds and hand.Is it only those who can read and write that the Holy Ghost the (Paraclete) can used to help teach or preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Elyon? Monophysites Christians follows such ways.
Jake Griesel at 11:20 15 May via Facebook Mobile
The Paraclete (Holy Spirit, Spirit of YHWH) is indeed that, a spirit, which THE BIBLE, the same Book you guys are quoting from, tells us about, not some carnal Spinozist philosophy. And if you see the Bible as made of man's own creativity, then you are in essence saying that the Gospel is a man-made concept, the same Gospel of John which you're ... Read morequoting from, isn't it Lloyd? That same Book that you guys are quoting from is the Book that I believe and stand up for, yet you maintain pantheistic views, which is as far from Biblical as day is from night. I'm sorry James, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from but I just can't seem to understand how you can quote from the Bible (and supposedly believe it) and not have monotheistic Trinitarian beliefs, and more, claim to KNOW.
James Woods at 11:42 on 15 May
Jake you said you want to read about my beliefs. As mentioned above people like me do not live by beliefs, but rather, we live by knowing. Like Paul after his transformation he lived by knowing the risen Yeshua. Further, thank you, virtually all of the West is familiar with the KJV and many us are acquainted about another 16 versions of the bible... Read more. Including the NJB which have 11 additional book than KJV. My questions is who authorized the dogmatic cannon? Did Elyon or Yeshua compile the cannon or was it done by council voters?
Translated in modern language and conducing to our culture, would it not be interesting to know what Greek Septuagint, the Latin Bible, the Great Bible or even the Quaker Bible and more importantly the manuscripts as some of those that were burned in the Library of Alexandria Egypt fire?
John 14:12 ¶Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto
James Woods at 11:47 on 15 May
Jake we are living in great times to be able to have the freedom and the means to be involve ina world wide exchange like this .... all Praise and honour to the Elyon/Yeshua. The Full Truth will come because it is Will of Elyon pain for with the blood of Yeshua......
Jake Griesel at 11:54 15 May via Facebook Mobile
I believe fully in the Son of God, because I have felt His presence in me and I've cast out demons in His Name. But clearly we're not talking about the same Entity, are we? I know Christ, and I know He quoted from Scripture while on earth. And that same Scripture he quoted from you clearly don't regard as valid. The prophets foretold that the ... Read moreMessiah would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us". But with Spinozist philosophy, God was already in the material world around us, which makes Immanuel seem a silly name to give if God was already with us in the physical universe. I have quite a few Bibles, thank you very much, I just prefer using the KJV. And you need to stop quoting from the Bible if you don't believe it. I would never quote Friedrich Nietzsche, because I don't agree with him. You're obviously not agreeing with the Bible, so I don't know why you're quoting from it.
James Woods at 12:28 on 15 May
Jake you live by your beliefs ..... I live by knowing remember how it was believed that the temple bread was only for the priests but David eat the bread when He was hungry and he did not dies as believed. Is that not because lived by knowing and by beliefs. If not he might have starved to death could he not?
Since you live by your beliefs and ... Read moreI live by knowing our action will not be the same and only Elyon/Yeshua can judge my action. At any point was it said your actions were wrong? Is that not for the Kosmic judge to decide? However, it is clearly inferred that the christian dogma is a constructed watered down version of the Truth that was given to Prophets and Apostles. Many of us have asked the question, do we want clean water-- the water that give Life?
Jake Griesel at 12:45 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Knowing? Don't be ridiculous. You haven't disproved anything I said or answered any of my questions. Why do you have a Bible if it's not of importance? Your reasoning ability is feeble to say the least. I know YHWH. And I believe in Him, just like Moses, Elijah and John did. And He isn't the same heretic thing you are worshipping. He is a Holy God... Read more, and He is Spirit. Somewhere along the line you have been deceived by Satan and have rejected God's word. And one more thing before I end this debate - do me a favour and STOP QUOTING A BOOK YOU DON'T ACCEPT AS TRUTHFUL! With your "knowing the satanically-inspired truth", the Bible isn't necessary after all, especially if you don't believe it, because it contradicts everything you stand for. You are willingly ignorant of God's word. But I've said enough. Peace be with you.
James Woods at 14:00 on 15 May
I have nothing to prove or disprove. Nothing at all!!!! At the end of the day Full Truth not Full Truth and not lies mixed with Truth, regardless of our position? Only the the Truth Light of Elyon matters to me.
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Baruch Spinoza, the Dutch philosopher, had strong pantheistic views and he rejected his Jewish background. Do you share the views of pantheism? I certainly don't. God certainly created everything, but God isn't present in everything in the material world. The material world and God aren't the same thing. It just isn't Biblical.
James Woods at 08:12 on 15 May
Ok Jake but have your read and understand Deuteronomy 32:8 from a few different version if the bible sir you may find that very interesting. Who was Elyon portioning the earth to men or gods? Remember they put Galileo under house arrest for supporting Copernicus .. should we still believe the earth is the center cosmos?
James Woods at 08:15 on 15 May
Jake ... Full Truth is Full Truth no matter what you and I or all of mankind believe. Can we then agree that Full Truth is Kosmic?
Jake Griesel at 08:35 15 May via Facebook Mobile
What has that got to do with Pantheism? Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The earth is YHWH's creation, not YHWH Himself. Spinoza with his pantheistic beliefs, in my view based on the Bible, was a heretic.
In Deuteronomy 32:8, whether you consider the Dead Sea Scrolls which reads "the sons of God", the Greek version which reads "the angels of God" or the Masoretic Text which reads "the sons of Israel", either way, Pantheism isn't Biblical.
James Woods at 08:57 on 15 May
Jake it is well known by scholars that monotheism is an invented concept.... We are all entitled to our beliefs However, I will continue to live by Knowing. Is knowing not an empirical element of life? Would it not be foolish for one to trust his or her life to medical doctor who have studied one book? Why should we trust our Spiritual life to the ... Read moredoctrinal dogma of one book?
Has Elyon the Kosmic one lost His powers that we he children have to settle for regurgitated Stoicism and Neo Platonism concept of the Kosmic intelligence and His Creation and management of the Cosmos? What are we second tare human that we should accept the doctrine of the commandment of men? Where is the full Truth? How did the apostles and the prophets get the Full Truth? Look at the chaos we face--should we not forsake Syllogism and go back to the Kosmic source?
Jake Griesel at 09:10 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Well, I'm a Bible-believing Christian, and the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity, which is a three-in-ONE Godhead consisting of Father, Son and Spirit. That is monotheism. Of course you are entitled to your own beliefs, and I have no problem with that. I don't know what other books you regard as Scripture, but with me, I trust that YHWH ... Read morewouldn't allow the very book that teaches us of His nature and what He is to be false and deceptive. Let me ask you this, do you consider the Entity Lisa and I refer to as YHWH as being the same as the Entity you refer to as Elyon? Because YHWH is one God, and is a spirit.
Katerina Be at 09:11 on 15 May
What I like in Spinoza’s thinking is that he suggested to read critical the bibles. Reading critical does not mean that you reject. It means that you don’t take everything for granted. To me, is the alive spirit of ELYON/YESHUA that comes upon people and brings the knowledge of the eternal father. This knowledge is the sieve of what is written and of all these interpretations that exists. Thanks all the friends that give ground to so challenging issues...
Lloyd Cole at 09:12 on 15 May
A nice healthy exchange Jake,but what is the original meaning of "Pantheism''according to the Oxford dic, said 1 a doctrine which identifies GOD with the universe (KOSMOS) or regards the universe as a manifestation of GOD.2 the worship or tolerance of many gods.Which of these are the original meanings, is the original predates the flood of Noah? ... Read moresince the time period is essential to enquirer fine the correct meaning.How did Adam/Eve understand the identities of the gods whose knowledge they partake? Who are these gods that that they referred to as the wise ones? the Elohims or those who came from the sky?
James Woods at 09:16 on 15 May
Jake what about the other part of the body work that are in the original manuscripts? are you saying that the 66 books of KJB bible and the 11 additional in the NJB will give us perfection? Did the men who received the information achieved perfection? What bible did Paul use to foster the Gentile Church?
Jake Griesel at 09:41 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Yes, I believe the 1611 KJV is adequate to know the nature of YHWH, Adonai, or whatever Name you want to refer to Him as. Again I ask - what other books do you regard as Scripture? And as I refer to myself as a Protestant Christian, what do you refer to yourself as, so I can further investigate your beliefs?
I don't for a second believe YHWH is ... Read moremanifested in all of His creation in the physical realm, because he is Spirit, not a physical being. Paul, whose writings I believe were directed by YHWH, wrote in Romans 1:25 (KJV) "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (God's creation) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." I worship YHWH who I believe is a Spirit and distinct from His creation, not the same as His creation, contradictory to Spinozism.
James Woods at 09:56 on 15 May
Very good Jake you have your beliefs .... I will keep on living and growing by knowing. Many have and will kill for our beliefs like Saul/Paul did?
My intent is not to fallow in the entire footstep of Saul but rather to be taught like Paul did, by the resurrected Yeshua the Truth light who went to his father Elyon.
Jake Griesel at 10:04 15 May via Facebook Mobile
I wouldn't kill (commit murder) for the sake of Christianity, no, because that's not what Christ ordered me to do. The Muslims are told to kill infidels, but Christ instructed His followers to love their enemies. I would die as a martyr for Christ, no problem, because I know where I'm going, but I wouldn't copy the ways of the so-called "Christian ... Read morecrusaders" who waged war against Muslim forces in the Middle Ages. That isn't Christianity. My war is against demons, devils and serpents, not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12), so I wouldn't shed blood for the sake of Christianity, because that wouldn't make me a Christian, would it? Again I ask, what other books do you consider as Scripture and what do would you call yourself, a Spinozist? I'd just like to know where I can read about your beliefs and what you claim to KNOW. You can read about my beliefs in the 1611 KJV.
Lloyd Cole at 11:01 on 15 May
You brothers are very passionate about your true faith.However i cannot remember which books or Scriptures Yeshua said he would ask his father to send his disciples/Apostles was it not the Paraclete an helper? but did not Yeshua explained to his disciples in the Gospel of John, 5, 39-41) that eternal life cannot be found in Scriptures only in him? ... Read moreSo why are we holding on to the aspects of religiosity and not the promise of Yeshua and the Paraclete who must lead,teach and restrained the followers of Yeshua? it is they who have the divine essence and substance is it not? or is it that man/woman don't want to follow ways of the Divine LOGOS who want us to be in his father's WILL as he the SON is? It the Paraclete the Divine and heavenly witness not a book that is made by human imperfect minds and hand.Is it only those who can read and write that the Holy Ghost the (Paraclete) can used to help teach or preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Elyon? Monophysites Christians follows such ways.
Jake Griesel at 11:20 15 May via Facebook Mobile
The Paraclete (Holy Spirit, Spirit of YHWH) is indeed that, a spirit, which THE BIBLE, the same Book you guys are quoting from, tells us about, not some carnal Spinozist philosophy. And if you see the Bible as made of man's own creativity, then you are in essence saying that the Gospel is a man-made concept, the same Gospel of John which you're ... Read morequoting from, isn't it Lloyd? That same Book that you guys are quoting from is the Book that I believe and stand up for, yet you maintain pantheistic views, which is as far from Biblical as day is from night. I'm sorry James, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from but I just can't seem to understand how you can quote from the Bible (and supposedly believe it) and not have monotheistic Trinitarian beliefs, and more, claim to KNOW.
James Woods at 11:42 on 15 May
Jake you said you want to read about my beliefs. As mentioned above people like me do not live by beliefs, but rather, we live by knowing. Like Paul after his transformation he lived by knowing the risen Yeshua. Further, thank you, virtually all of the West is familiar with the KJV and many us are acquainted about another 16 versions of the bible... Read more. Including the NJB which have 11 additional book than KJV. My questions is who authorized the dogmatic cannon? Did Elyon or Yeshua compile the cannon or was it done by council voters?
Translated in modern language and conducing to our culture, would it not be interesting to know what Greek Septuagint, the Latin Bible, the Great Bible or even the Quaker Bible and more importantly the manuscripts as some of those that were burned in the Library of Alexandria Egypt fire?
John 14:12 ¶Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto
James Woods at 11:47 on 15 May
Jake we are living in great times to be able to have the freedom and the means to be involve ina world wide exchange like this .... all Praise and honour to the Elyon/Yeshua. The Full Truth will come because it is Will of Elyon pain for with the blood of Yeshua......
Jake Griesel at 11:54 15 May via Facebook Mobile
I believe fully in the Son of God, because I have felt His presence in me and I've cast out demons in His Name. But clearly we're not talking about the same Entity, are we? I know Christ, and I know He quoted from Scripture while on earth. And that same Scripture he quoted from you clearly don't regard as valid. The prophets foretold that the ... Read moreMessiah would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us". But with Spinozist philosophy, God was already in the material world around us, which makes Immanuel seem a silly name to give if God was already with us in the physical universe. I have quite a few Bibles, thank you very much, I just prefer using the KJV. And you need to stop quoting from the Bible if you don't believe it. I would never quote Friedrich Nietzsche, because I don't agree with him. You're obviously not agreeing with the Bible, so I don't know why you're quoting from it.
James Woods at 12:28 on 15 May
Jake you live by your beliefs ..... I live by knowing remember how it was believed that the temple bread was only for the priests but David eat the bread when He was hungry and he did not dies as believed. Is that not because lived by knowing and by beliefs. If not he might have starved to death could he not?
Since you live by your beliefs and ... Read moreI live by knowing our action will not be the same and only Elyon/Yeshua can judge my action. At any point was it said your actions were wrong? Is that not for the Kosmic judge to decide? However, it is clearly inferred that the christian dogma is a constructed watered down version of the Truth that was given to Prophets and Apostles. Many of us have asked the question, do we want clean water-- the water that give Life?
Jake Griesel at 12:45 15 May via Facebook Mobile
Knowing? Don't be ridiculous. You haven't disproved anything I said or answered any of my questions. Why do you have a Bible if it's not of importance? Your reasoning ability is feeble to say the least. I know YHWH. And I believe in Him, just like Moses, Elijah and John did. And He isn't the same heretic thing you are worshipping. He is a Holy God... Read more, and He is Spirit. Somewhere along the line you have been deceived by Satan and have rejected God's word. And one more thing before I end this debate - do me a favour and STOP QUOTING A BOOK YOU DON'T ACCEPT AS TRUTHFUL! With your "knowing the satanically-inspired truth", the Bible isn't necessary after all, especially if you don't believe it, because it contradicts everything you stand for. You are willingly ignorant of God's word. But I've said enough. Peace be with you.
Jake? was Yeshua and Saul (who became Paul), Quoting from the same scriptures? didn't Paul believe that his interpretation of the scriptures was right? Now that we can revisit the past, who do you suppose got the scriptures right, Yeshua or Saul? what was the difference between the two, Yeshua's Divine view came through hearing directly from his ... Read morefather through revelations, whereas Saul received his ideas by mens interpretations. Of these two, who was right, who was wrong?After Paul had his spiritual encounter with the Risen Yeshua through a revelation, his views changed into agreement with Yeshua's. This goes to show that interpreting scriptures does not guarantee truth, but with the Spirit of Elyon at work full truth can be known. Example is in the Acts of the Apostle where the new Testament prophets who were given the gifts to be seer's of Mysteries, those who the Paraclete used to select Barnabas and Paul to be Apostles to evangelize the Gospel of the Kingdom.
I have nothing to prove or disprove. Nothing at all!!!! At the end of the day Full Truth not Full Truth and not lies mixed with Truth, regardless of our position? Only the the Truth Light of Elyon matters to me.
Lloyd Cole
Hi James Good morningAt University while studying philosophy I learnt that , the apostle Paul used the concept of the Hellenistic view to explain THEOS/ELYON/YESHUA. He evangelized to the well learned Stoic... Read more’s and Epicureans. Paul understood that the unlearned couldn’t contain or understand the magnitude of knowledge being spoken by the elite philosophers? See (Acts of the Apostles, 17;16-18 we can see the point Spinoza is making in his philosophy. If Cleanthes did not have a good enough explanation, then Paul would not have used his quote, Cleanthes was an educated philosopher, so was Paul, Spinoza, Einstein and many other people in our modern time. Moreover, many learned scholars argue that both Spinoza and Einstein (the genius) were leaning towards Jesus Christ and the Epicurean Philosophers on Mars hill. He used Cleanthes philosophical view of the Kosmos, when he wrote that “In Theos we live move and have our being”.
Did Paul not have some hidden truth?
For further reference
The Great Political Theories Volume 1 pg 86-103 Michael Curtis
James Woods
Did Paul not have some hidden truth?
For further reference
The Great Political Theories Volume 1 pg 86-103 Michael Curtis
James Woods
Thank for the Information Lloyd I will look into it more. In the mean time shall it be taken that Elyon's Full Truth is not a philosophy however, at time take philosophical understanding to relay Kosmic intelligence or knowledge to cosmic intellectual pallet?
Sylvi Sun Beam
Sylvi Sun Beam
Hi Jame, we know that Saul whose name was changed to Paul taught that he was right by holding on his beliefs and his religin and went around killing those who believe and followed Yeshua of Nazareth until he met the Risen Christ and his life was transformed, changed forever; then he became an Apostle of Christ and went around teaching what he ... Read more was taught by Christ? I know where you are coming from James and I stand with you. Throughout this whole discussion you have remained strong, calm, peaceful and respectful, you have kept your composure. When you know what you have no one can shake you.
The Peace of Elyon/Yeshua be with you.
The Peace of Elyon/Yeshua be with you.
Sunday, May 10, 2009
What is the definition of love?
Toris Dimitrios wrote: What love is? Is she gained or is given as a gift? How we recognize her existence? From the feelings,the expressions or something more? Is she limited? If yes, how we can find the limits? Can we define her,and how? Τί είναι αγάπη?Κατακτιέται ή χαρίζεται? Πώς αναγνωρίζουμε τήν ύπαρξη της ? Από τα συναισθήματα,τίς εκφράσεις ή καί κάτι περισσότερο? Εχει όρια? Αν ναί,πώς τα βρίσκουμε? Μπορούμε νά τήν ορίσουμε, καί πώς?
Lloyd Cole at 14:10 on 05 MayHello Toris greetings, I like your provocative questions. Yes it was and still is our Greek brothers/sisters the philosophers who defined the three kinds of loves from ancient times. and placed them in their real and true categories. Therefore there are different meanings for the three various types of love isn't it? Please teach us there meanings can you?
"I am impressed Mr. Lloyd, once again, of your knowledge about ancient Greeks. Yes indeed, Greek philosophers at the time of Plato, and other ancient authors[first references at Odyssey of Homer] have used forms of the word ''agape'', to denote love between family members or affection for a particular activity, philia a strong bond existing between people who share a common interest or activity, and eros a full passion affection, usually of a sexual nature. Close to these ideas is a book of C.S. Lewis ''The four loves'' were Lewis divides love into four categories based in part on the four Greek words for love: a) affection[storge] b) friendship[philia] c.) eros [in the sense of being in love] and d. charity. I like a part where Lewis metaphorically compares love with a garden, charity with the gardening utensils, the lover as the gardener, and God as the elements of nature. God's love and guidance, act on our natural love [that cannot remain what it is by itself] as the sun and rain act on a garden"...without either, the object [metaphorically the garden, realistically love itself] would cease to be beautiful or worthy. Many have thought that this word Agape represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional and thoughtful love. I agree and I believe that agape-love is a divine spirit of Elyon, and the best teacher, for ever and ever, is the only One who lived it, Yeshuah."
Sylvi Sun Beam wrote Professor Toris, you have done an excellent, superb fabulous and fantastic job in treaching and defining love for us, this means a lot to me. I will tell you why later. Thank you so very much. Peace, agape Love and the blessings of Elyon/Yeshua be with you and family.
Katerina B wrote: For Plato, in Symposium, eros (love) is described as a universal force. Is the power, energy that can lead us to the perfection, is our deep desire for the divine, the IDEA. So, under this point of view I would say that love is a powerful engine, an alive entity that comes from Most High (Ypsistos). This love is pure and can lift us, our spirit self, in the highest spiritual level in which we can meet the Ypsistos (idea for Plato). Through this love we can penetrate to the three level of existence. From flesh level to spirit level and then to the divine level. Once we have this divine love, given as a gift to us, we can unlock the divine doors… Thank God, I call him Elyon/Yeshua, in this love there is fullness and expand the border of his kingdom which is inside of each one of us…
Lloyd Cole at 14:10 on 05 MayHello Toris greetings, I like your provocative questions. Yes it was and still is our Greek brothers/sisters the philosophers who defined the three kinds of loves from ancient times. and placed them in their real and true categories. Therefore there are different meanings for the three various types of love isn't it? Please teach us there meanings can you?
"I am impressed Mr. Lloyd, once again, of your knowledge about ancient Greeks. Yes indeed, Greek philosophers at the time of Plato, and other ancient authors[first references at Odyssey of Homer] have used forms of the word ''agape'', to denote love between family members or affection for a particular activity, philia a strong bond existing between people who share a common interest or activity, and eros a full passion affection, usually of a sexual nature. Close to these ideas is a book of C.S. Lewis ''The four loves'' were Lewis divides love into four categories based in part on the four Greek words for love: a) affection[storge] b) friendship[philia] c.) eros [in the sense of being in love] and d. charity. I like a part where Lewis metaphorically compares love with a garden, charity with the gardening utensils, the lover as the gardener, and God as the elements of nature. God's love and guidance, act on our natural love [that cannot remain what it is by itself] as the sun and rain act on a garden"...without either, the object [metaphorically the garden, realistically love itself] would cease to be beautiful or worthy. Many have thought that this word Agape represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional and thoughtful love. I agree and I believe that agape-love is a divine spirit of Elyon, and the best teacher, for ever and ever, is the only One who lived it, Yeshuah."
Sylvi Sun Beam wrote Professor Toris, you have done an excellent, superb fabulous and fantastic job in treaching and defining love for us, this means a lot to me. I will tell you why later. Thank you so very much. Peace, agape Love and the blessings of Elyon/Yeshua be with you and family.
Katerina B wrote: For Plato, in Symposium, eros (love) is described as a universal force. Is the power, energy that can lead us to the perfection, is our deep desire for the divine, the IDEA. So, under this point of view I would say that love is a powerful engine, an alive entity that comes from Most High (Ypsistos). This love is pure and can lift us, our spirit self, in the highest spiritual level in which we can meet the Ypsistos (idea for Plato). Through this love we can penetrate to the three level of existence. From flesh level to spirit level and then to the divine level. Once we have this divine love, given as a gift to us, we can unlock the divine doors… Thank God, I call him Elyon/Yeshua, in this love there is fullness and expand the border of his kingdom which is inside of each one of us…
Monday, May 4, 2009
NAME OF OUR ETERNAL FATHER
GOD or LORD when we call these “titles” names who or what are we really calling? Are we truly calling upon the Kosmic creator Elyon or his son Yeshua or are we are calling upon a human concept of a creator? When we say Lord who are we referring to: Lord mayor, a British Lord or the deity, Adonis, Baal, Hadad , or, Krishna. Has mankind been socialized into a doctrinaire deception?
Joseph Rising Sun Levi comment:
Hi James, the answer to these questions exists in the originality of these titles. If i should say that Lucifer and his servants/Angels has successfully infiltrated the establishment of the Israelite/Jacobites and Christians movements using his titles and names what would you say? Also did Yeshua not say that many who look for him shall find the ... Read more Broadway and walk therein, calling him LORD,LORD but he will say to them at his return go away from me I don't know you? it is based on this truth that i say in the videos and in my writings that our Christians friends are tricked by Lucifer and his servants/Angels. Is it not time to arise up and seek thoroughly to know our eternal Father, Son and Holy Ghost who are the full Truth, Way and Life? ,because its only through these that we can receive the true and Divine Philosophy of hope the new Renaissance of the Divine cause. Elyon/Yeshua and the Paraclete speaks in clear languages as they did in times past inst it ? With much agape love.
Joseph Rising Sun Levi comment:
Hi James, the answer to these questions exists in the originality of these titles. If i should say that Lucifer and his servants/Angels has successfully infiltrated the establishment of the Israelite/Jacobites and Christians movements using his titles and names what would you say? Also did Yeshua not say that many who look for him shall find the ... Read more Broadway and walk therein, calling him LORD,LORD but he will say to them at his return go away from me I don't know you? it is based on this truth that i say in the videos and in my writings that our Christians friends are tricked by Lucifer and his servants/Angels. Is it not time to arise up and seek thoroughly to know our eternal Father, Son and Holy Ghost who are the full Truth, Way and Life? ,because its only through these that we can receive the true and Divine Philosophy of hope the new Renaissance of the Divine cause. Elyon/Yeshua and the Paraclete speaks in clear languages as they did in times past inst it ? With much agape love.
Saturday, May 2, 2009
Elemens of Creations?
Creation! the Genesis Story: was the bible originally written to read "In a beginning" and not "In the beginning"? Further, human were told to "..multiply and replenish the earth..." Was there a catastrophe that eradicated mankind and living things so that the earth needed to be replenished? Also, when the bible speaks of "one day", is a 24 hour day, a 1,000 years day or, another time period used in Mesopotamia?
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